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okraOkra
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BW 1.21+
Map:
PvT Micro: Breaking the push
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UMS
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2019-02-09 03:17:44
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Cmd		 Type Result ID Slot MMR
1 Purple okraOkra Protoss 65 64 1% 11 1,306 20:07 Human unknown 0 0
2 Yellow Epsilon Squadron Terran 0 0 0% 10 0 00:00 Computer unknown 255 1
3 Teal tim123321 Protoss 26 20 24% 7 554 21:10 Human unknown 1 7
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PvT Micro: Breaking the push 4 Stages to practice PvT micro! GL HF!
Tile set: Arctic  Max players: 7
ResourcesAmountCount
Mineral field 50,000x24
Mineral field 1,500x69
Total minerals 1,303,500
Vespene geyser 5,000x6
Total vespene gas 30,000
Map hash: 3Kz0gqD75x1ykPpaXCDXxopTjeY
Time okraOkra Epsilon Squadron tim123321
00:31Singularity Charge (Dragoon Range)
FrameTimePlayerMessage
568 00:23 tim123321 💬 forgot range
650 00:27 okraOkra 💬 tsk
666 00:27 okraOkra 💬 right
832 00:34 okraOkra 💬 ty
866 00:36 tim123321 💬 this is mostly impossible without it
1021 00:42 tim123321 💬 thats why you always need it pvt
1301 00:54 tim123321 💬 4 -> 6 is a huge difference
1310 00:55 okraOkra 💬 yeah first time around i lost so many before checking for range
1504 01:03 okraOkra 💬 you'd think a PvT micro map would have it by default
1632 01:08 tim123321 💬 yeah you would think
1657 01:09 tim123321 💬 lol
1660 01:09 okraOkra 💬 oh well
1927 01:20 okraOkra 💬 ok this i can cheese
2289 01:36 okraOkra 💬 rip nvm
2318 01:37 tim123321 💬 okay so
2441 01:42 tim123321 💬 first volley hit vult
2583 01:48 okraOkra 💬 last time i tried that only tank came up
2587 01:48 tim123321 💬 that was obviously not as planned
2655 01:51 okraOkra 💬 yeah
2678 01:52 okraOkra 💬 hubris
2696 01:53 okraOkra 💬 sry
2764 01:56 okraOkra 💬 will focus now
3831 02:40 okraOkra 💬 tsk
3913 02:44 tim123321 💬 okay
4016 02:48 tim123321 💬 not terrible
4176 02:55 okraOkra 💬 how many volleys to kill tank?
4259 02:58 tim123321 💬 8 shots
4313 03:01 okraOkra 💬 ok
4316 03:01 tim123321 💬 so 3
4769 03:20 okraOkra 💬 but you were saying
4821 03:22 okraOkra 💬 it's up front now
4992 03:29 okraOkra 💬 so this should be doable
5137 03:35 tim123321 💬 yeah just snipe it right away
5896 04:07 okraOkra 💬 omg
5921 04:08 okraOkra 💬 i did it
5958 04:10 tim123321 💬 there ya go
5978 04:11 okraOkra 💬 :D
6084 04:15 tim123321 💬 tank snipe = easy
7221 05:03 okraOkra 💬 wtf
7278 05:05 tim123321 💬 some comments that might help you understand the finer points of micro
7481 05:14 okraOkra 💬 pl
7495 05:14 tim123321 💬 so every time you move out of goon range
7512 05:15 okraOkra 💬 s
7566 05:17 tim123321 💬 and hold
7750 05:25 tim123321 💬 when targets come back into range
7923 05:32 tim123321 💬 they are not automatically acquired
8007 05:36 tim123321 💬 what happens is
8009 05:36 okraOkra 💬 hm
8298 05:48 tim123321 💬 each unit checks only periodically
8440 05:54 tim123321 💬 whether targets are in range
8541 05:58 tim123321 💬 so
8748 06:07 tim123321 💬 if they arent in range when you press H
9084 06:21 tim123321 💬 then they likely will spend time doing nothing before shooting when things
9149 06:24 tim123321 💬 enter range again
9448 06:36 okraOkra 💬 ok
9578 06:42 okraOkra 💬 i'm not sure what to do with this knowledge tho
9665 06:45 okraOkra 💬 spam h?
9727 06:48 okraOkra 💬 or wait before hitting it again?
9738 06:48 tim123321 💬 so the idea is to back up only enough to make the marines have to run forward
10042 07:01 tim123321 💬 marines have only 4 range
10087 07:03 tim123321 💬 to your 6
10273 07:11 tim123321 💬 so you are just making the marines walk
10440 07:18 tim123321 💬 cuz you are also faster than marines
10678 07:28 tim123321 💬 but honestly once you kill the tank
10719 07:30 okraOkra 💬 so ideally goons vs rines is a perfect matchup
10899 07:37 okraOkra 💬 they shouldn't be able to hit me at all
10919 07:38 tim123321 💬 you can just pull back injured ones only
11022 07:42 tim123321 💬 and let the rest shoot
11089 07:45 okraOkra 💬 ok
11154 07:48 tim123321 💬 and thats usually good enough
11476 08:01 tim123321 💬 yeah they technically should be hard countered
11582 08:06 tim123321 💬 in small number fights
12602 08:49 tim123321 💬 almost
12677 08:52 okraOkra 💬 close
13715 09:36 tim123321 💬 you got it
13769 09:38 okraOkra 💬 omg
13867 09:42 okraOkra 💬 4 hp
13924 09:44 okraOkra 💬 haha
14246 09:58 okraOkra 💬 couple more
14394 10:04 tim123321 💬 then try the 6
14411 10:05 okraOkra 💬 but i think i know what to aim for now
14646 10:15 tim123321 💬 perfect
14843 10:23 tim123321 💬 well
15147 10:36 tim123321 💬 at this point thats not what a human would do obv
15228 10:39 okraOkra 💬 right
15321 10:43 tim123321 💬 they wouldnt run back with the marines
15339 10:44 okraOkra 💬 one more and i try 6
16095 11:15 okraOkra 💬 lol
16110 11:16 tim123321 💬 the start was good
16371 11:27 tim123321 💬 when running the injured goons back btw
16487 11:32 tim123321 💬 all you are trying to do
16588 11:36 tim123321 💬 is move them out of range
16689 11:40 tim123321 💬 of whats hitting them
16772 11:44 tim123321 💬 \
16812 11:46 tim123321 💬 but
16997 11:53 tim123321 💬 you want them shooting again
17040 11:55 tim123321 💬 asap
17339 12:08 tim123321 💬 so just move them directly away from the line of fire
17692 12:23 tim123321 💬 and then as soon as the enemy switches targets
17712 12:23 okraOkra 💬 phew
17739 12:25 tim123321 💬 re-engage
17977 12:35 tim123321 💬 and dont move them behind the other goons
18102 12:40 tim123321 💬 just move them back
18237 12:45 tim123321 💬 off to the side
18364 12:51 tim123321 💬 so they dont get in the way
18440 12:54 tim123321 💬 and lose formation
18610 13:01 okraOkra 💬 ic
18879 13:12 okraOkra 💬 ok i think this 3 goon exercise is just a matter of practice now
18978 13:17 tim123321 💬 yep
19016 13:18 okraOkra 💬 lemme try 6
19255 13:28 okraOkra 💬 so key here is
19381 13:34 tim123321 💬 focus the tanks
19382 13:34 okraOkra 💬 dont overkill the first tank
19517 13:39 tim123321 💬 yeah that helps
19600 13:43 okraOkra 💬 shoot 6
19674 13:46 okraOkra 💬 then pull 4 off
19846 13:53 tim123321 💬 thats the ideal setup
19873 13:54 tim123321 💬 yeah
20565 14:23 okraOkra 💬 ok
20615 14:25 tim123321 💬 sometimes H isnt the best option btw
20650 14:27 okraOkra 💬 that one is comparatively a lot easier
20866 14:36 tim123321 💬 you can also try a move back towards them
20952 14:39 tim123321 💬 once you run
21170 14:49 tim123321 💬 then you get fewer goons doing nothing
21861 15:18 tim123321 💬 but also H and A move behave slightly differently with regards to targetting
22310 15:37 okraOkra 💬 ok compartively easier but not trivial lol
22579 15:48 tim123321 💬 A move tends to focus fire the closest target to each goon
22752 15:55 tim123321 💬 while H will spread shots out
22920 16:02 tim123321 💬 more evenly across all available targets
23387 16:22 tim123321 💬 very good
23433 16:24 tim123321 💬 o
23507 16:27 tim123321 💬 was very good
23589 16:30 tim123321 💬 until that last move
23627 16:32 okraOkra 💬 ahh
23708 16:35 okraOkra 💬 what happened there
23789 16:39 tim123321 💬 so
23855 16:41 tim123321 💬 that last goon
23919 16:44 tim123321 💬 when you had 3
24116 16:52 tim123321 💬 you pulled him back because he was getting shot
24134 16:53 tim123321 💬 but
24184 16:55 tim123321 💬 the other 2
24380 17:03 tim123321 💬 were both at like 1 hit from death
24397 17:04 tim123321 💬 so
24617 17:13 tim123321 💬 them getting targeted again
24685 17:16 tim123321 💬 hurt you badly
24868 17:24 tim123321 💬 you wanted the vults
24964 17:28 tim123321 💬 to keep hitting that one
25105 17:34 tim123321 💬 cuz he still had about 40 hp
25920 18:08 okraOkra 💬 bit better
26150 18:18 tim123321 💬 something else to note
26571 18:35 tim123321 💬 try to avoid manually targeting if the benefit is going to be marginal at best
26769 18:44 okraOkra 💬 i'm only manually targetting th etanks
26936 18:51 okraOkra 💬 like
26979 18:53 okraOkra 💬 6
26981 18:53 tim123321 💬 as you should usually
27012 18:54 okraOkra 💬 pull of 4
27073 18:57 okraOkra 💬 next 2
27105 18:58 okraOkra 💬 then 6 again
27251 19:04 okraOkra 💬 after that it's back h or a move
27449 19:12 okraOkra 💬 and trying to retreat injured tanks
27514 19:15 okraOkra 💬 that's what i've been doing anyway
27589 19:18 okraOkra 💬 trying to do
27645 19:21 tim123321 💬 good
28804 20:09 okraOkra 💬 ah
28832 20:10 okraOkra 💬 not as great
28857 20:11 okraOkra 💬 but
28895 20:13 okraOkra 💬 still a win
28924 20:14 okraOkra 💬 i'll take it
29252 20:28 okraOkra 💬 i'm gonna pop into abstract tvP now
29374 20:33 okraOkra 💬 i think i know what to practice
29513 20:39 tim123321 💬 ill come obs probably
29681 20:46 okraOkra 💬 thanks a lot tim, this was really helpful!
29843 20:53 tim123321 💬 :D
29923 20:56 tim123321 💬 glad i could help
29978 20:59 okraOkra 💬 i'll practice some
30067 21:02 okraOkra 💬 and maybe in a few days we can revisit?
30151 21:06 tim123321 💬 sure
30255 21:10 okraOkra 💬 great
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